- Extracted from kravmaganewyork.net
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
To download the article from Special Operations Report - Click Here
This article relates to a gun threat from behind your head.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Do you know the difference?
Monday, June 28, 2010
Tuesday, June 22, 2010
Krav Maga - Bad training habits
- Extracted from Facebook group
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Common weakness of many Krav Maga schools is like jujitsu schools. They really do not teach good skills of punching and kicking.
Kicking on a punching pad or punching bag only develops parts of the components, and if the correct techniques are not taught off hand, students will repeat their errors and instill bad habits.
If you get these skills right, you can continue after the defense and counter attack, to grab the opponents' weapon hand.
If you really learn it right, you learn to move forward, not necessarily in front of the weapon. If you move forward, you easily catch the retracting hand of your opponent limiting any possible attempts to stab again.
You would not do it when someone has a gun, so why would you if he has a knife.
Don’t assume that he is an idiot. He could kick you and stab you too. If you do not finish him, you give him a chance to learn and become better in the second attempt.
If you hit your opponent good in the first time, he would be on the floor and you would have nothing to grab.
However, the nature of the simultaneous defense and counter attack, does not always give you the option to concentrate your energy fully in the counter attack. Chances are that the counter attack only buys you time for another continuous move. The first attack is straight.
In close scenarios circular attacks get enough momentum. You actually lean back to get more distance and use leverage in a roundhouse for sufficient striking force.
You get into a habit of using your opponent's body as an obstacle for another opponent, and if you can, to take the weapon out of his hand.
This would be a matter of judgment, but it is nice to have.
I rather see defenses vs. straight stab where the stab is retracted quickly and not to see an instructor assuming the opponent would not retract, or the weak position about teaching only the common top down or bottom up knife stabs.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Common weakness of many Krav Maga schools is like jujitsu schools. They really do not teach good skills of punching and kicking.
Kicking on a punching pad or punching bag only develops parts of the components, and if the correct techniques are not taught off hand, students will repeat their errors and instill bad habits.
If you get these skills right, you can continue after the defense and counter attack, to grab the opponents' weapon hand.
If you really learn it right, you learn to move forward, not necessarily in front of the weapon. If you move forward, you easily catch the retracting hand of your opponent limiting any possible attempts to stab again.
You would not do it when someone has a gun, so why would you if he has a knife.
Don’t assume that he is an idiot. He could kick you and stab you too. If you do not finish him, you give him a chance to learn and become better in the second attempt.
If you hit your opponent good in the first time, he would be on the floor and you would have nothing to grab.
However, the nature of the simultaneous defense and counter attack, does not always give you the option to concentrate your energy fully in the counter attack. Chances are that the counter attack only buys you time for another continuous move. The first attack is straight.
In close scenarios circular attacks get enough momentum. You actually lean back to get more distance and use leverage in a roundhouse for sufficient striking force.
You get into a habit of using your opponent's body as an obstacle for another opponent, and if you can, to take the weapon out of his hand.
This would be a matter of judgment, but it is nice to have.
I rather see defenses vs. straight stab where the stab is retracted quickly and not to see an instructor assuming the opponent would not retract, or the weak position about teaching only the common top down or bottom up knife stabs.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Principles of Krav Maga - Efficiency
- Extracted from Facebook group
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Krav Maga is not based on stamina.
While many sports build strength and stamina, if you are not going to look for the most efficient way to fight, your opponent might, and he will probably win if he does.
Efficiency is getting used to do the shortest easiest move that will end the confrontation, looking for the most effective and efficient pressure point.
If you train few times a week for years to try to choke or create an armbar, or get to the floor, these training habits will stick with you and will not easily get rid of in a time of self defense conflict which may take only few seconds.
While your confidence will be great from the training it might be false since you are not accustomed to deal with a more efficient opponent that does not waste his time on a sports confrontation and is looking to hurt you quickly with disregards to your safety and life.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Krav Maga is not based on stamina.
While many sports build strength and stamina, if you are not going to look for the most efficient way to fight, your opponent might, and he will probably win if he does.
Efficiency is getting used to do the shortest easiest move that will end the confrontation, looking for the most effective and efficient pressure point.
If you train few times a week for years to try to choke or create an armbar, or get to the floor, these training habits will stick with you and will not easily get rid of in a time of self defense conflict which may take only few seconds.
While your confidence will be great from the training it might be false since you are not accustomed to deal with a more efficient opponent that does not waste his time on a sports confrontation and is looking to hurt you quickly with disregards to your safety and life.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Saturday, June 19, 2010
Krav Maga - Is it the same for those learnt it in the army and those in civilian gyms?
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Response to Laszlo who said he follows Mr. Immi's small printed booklet, which included 14 pages which included names of techniques, exercises divided by belts, yellow to black.
Mr. Boaz responds:
Dear Laszlo,
I do have the list of the civilian Krav Maga techniques you are talking about. It is true that Immi (I am using two m's since this is how Immi signed his name in English).
I was teaching in the IDF after Eli Avikzar, and I also went through the civilian training method on my spare time while and after I was teaching in the IDF.
What I've noted that the Krav Maga for civilians was modified by Immi. Immi felt that youngsters should not learn what soldiers did. So personally, I prefer the IDF Training Method. For some the civilian training method is preferred.
Mr. Boaz quotes this article from People Magazine.
November 15, 1976 People MagazineVol. 6No. 20
It's Called 'Kosher Kungfu' but Imi Lichtenfeld's New Martial Art Is a Deadly Affair
By Arturo F. Gonzalez Jr.
Try and strangle me, please," 66-year-old Imi Lichtenfeld of Tel Aviv politely asks one of his students. As the neophyte lunges, Imi's rigid palm shoots out and quivers at the attacker's windpipe. "I didn't want to fight," explains Imi. "Now you don't want to fight. In fact, you're lucky if you're still alive."
Imi, 5'6" and 150 pounds, is the creator of a deadly martial art called krav-maga. The name comes from the Hebrew words krav for fight and maga for contact. The irreverent call it "KosherKungfu." It has become internationally recognized, with eight black-belt holders.
But in its pure form, krav-maga is too dangerous for widespread competition.
"When a martial art becomes a sport, like judo for example, the lethal movements have to be restricted," says Imi. "This destroys the basic principle of krav-maga:
You automatically end the fight by putting an end to your opponent." Imi teaches at a gym outside Tel Aviv. Childless, he lives nearby with his wife of 16 years, Elana.
When the Israeli army was formed in 1948, he was the regimental sergeant-major in charge of all hand-to-hand combat training. "What I was teaching," he says, "was a unique combination of judo, karate, akido, kungfu and boxing."
His tactics are now standard in the Israeli forces. If the Israeli paratroopers on the recent Entebbe rescue mission had fought the Ugandans hand to hand, they would have used krav-maga.
Imi programs his students as though they were computers. "Once you have all the tapes inside your head," he promises, "you can beat anybody. Your eyes are figuring the angle your body is forming with an opponent and making calculations for you."
The essence of krav-maga is economy of motion coupled with imaginative embellishments on the other martial arts, which Imi thinks are too inflexible. Imi's pupils are taught to limit opponents' blows to the outsides of their arms and legs while striking at the throat, belly, chest and groin.
"I've developed one knife move," says Imi, "that no opponent can stop. But I don't want to put it down in print. It's too dangerous." Imi was raised in Bratislava, Czechoslovakia, where his father, Samuel, was a police inspector and a European pioneer in the martial arts. "He founded a jujitsu school in 1907," Imi remembers. "He was a good policeman. He had to be tough to survive." So did Imi. "I began fighting anti-Semitism in the '30s," he says. "When the Hitler youth gangs used to single out Jewish young men on the streets, it was either hit or run. I found the hitting more satisfying." During World War II Imi served with a Czech exile regiment, which he joined after being rescued from a sinking ship in the Mediterranean by a British destroyer. Most of his family died in the Nazi gas chambers. At war's end he settled in Palestine. A civilian since 1963, Imi still puts in a full day, specializing in instruction to paratroopers, commandos and phys ed teachers.
Currently Imi is trying to modify krav-maga so that nonlethal self-defense can be taught to Israeli youngsters. "I want everybody in this country," he says, "to be ready for a fight."
*End of article
Per Boaz Aviram:
Don’t know if you have noticed but I have found something in this article to support the back cover of my book. "When a martial art becomes a sport, like judo for example, the lethal movements have to be restricted," says Imi. "This destroys the basic principle of krav-maga: You automatically end the fight by putting an end to your opponent."
And then: Currently Imi is trying to modify Krav Maga so that nonlethal self-defense can be taught to Israeli youngsters. "I want everybody in this country," he says, "to be ready for a fight."
This is the Krav Maga you generally get. (blogger's note: civilian version taught outside of the idf). This is why I was not happy with the Civilian Association and did not think that the way they taught was Krav Maga.
But now it is the time to realize that since terrorism attacks civilians, civilians have to be trained as soldiers. Sharing the secrets of training has an advantage over keeping them. It is up to us the civilians also to make that judgment of who do we want to teach and who do we prefer not to teach. It is not always a clear decision, but we need to keep it in our minds. Since terrorist target civilians, civilians should be trained!
End of posting
* blogger's note to readers:
In case you did not know, there are different sets of Krav Maga instructions now:
1. Those taught by instructors that had graduated from Immi's civilian dojo
2. Those taught by instructors who graduated AS INSTRUCTORS from the IDF Krav Maga school.
3. Those taught by instructors who did a short course in Krav Maga in the IDF while doing mandatory service.
4. Those taught by instructors who were Krav Maga instructors in the IDF and are martial artist.
5. Those taught by ex-IDF soldiers who were schooled in martial arts who did neither the Instructor's course nor the short course in the IDF.
6. Those taught by instructors who RENAMED their system to Krav Maga or took up the name of Krav Maga
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Response to Laszlo who said he follows Mr. Immi's small printed booklet, which included 14 pages which included names of techniques, exercises divided by belts, yellow to black.
Mr. Boaz responds:
Dear Laszlo,
I do have the list of the civilian Krav Maga techniques you are talking about. It is true that Immi (I am using two m's since this is how Immi signed his name in English).
I was teaching in the IDF after Eli Avikzar, and I also went through the civilian training method on my spare time while and after I was teaching in the IDF.
What I've noted that the Krav Maga for civilians was modified by Immi. Immi felt that youngsters should not learn what soldiers did. So personally, I prefer the IDF Training Method. For some the civilian training method is preferred.
Mr. Boaz quotes this article from People Magazine.
November 15, 1976 People MagazineVol. 6No. 20
It's Called 'Kosher Kungfu' but Imi Lichtenfeld's New Martial Art Is a Deadly Affair
By Arturo F. Gonzalez Jr.
Try and strangle me, please," 66-year-old Imi Lichtenfeld of Tel Aviv politely asks one of his students. As the neophyte lunges, Imi's rigid palm shoots out and quivers at the attacker's windpipe. "I didn't want to fight," explains Imi. "Now you don't want to fight. In fact, you're lucky if you're still alive."
Imi, 5'6" and 150 pounds, is the creator of a deadly martial art called krav-maga. The name comes from the Hebrew words krav for fight and maga for contact. The irreverent call it "KosherKungfu." It has become internationally recognized, with eight black-belt holders.
But in its pure form, krav-maga is too dangerous for widespread competition.
"When a martial art becomes a sport, like judo for example, the lethal movements have to be restricted," says Imi. "This destroys the basic principle of krav-maga:
You automatically end the fight by putting an end to your opponent." Imi teaches at a gym outside Tel Aviv. Childless, he lives nearby with his wife of 16 years, Elana.
When the Israeli army was formed in 1948, he was the regimental sergeant-major in charge of all hand-to-hand combat training. "What I was teaching," he says, "was a unique combination of judo, karate, akido, kungfu and boxing."
His tactics are now standard in the Israeli forces. If the Israeli paratroopers on the recent Entebbe rescue mission had fought the Ugandans hand to hand, they would have used krav-maga.
Imi programs his students as though they were computers. "Once you have all the tapes inside your head," he promises, "you can beat anybody. Your eyes are figuring the angle your body is forming with an opponent and making calculations for you."
The essence of krav-maga is economy of motion coupled with imaginative embellishments on the other martial arts, which Imi thinks are too inflexible. Imi's pupils are taught to limit opponents' blows to the outsides of their arms and legs while striking at the throat, belly, chest and groin.
"I've developed one knife move," says Imi, "that no opponent can stop. But I don't want to put it down in print. It's too dangerous." Imi was raised in Bratislava, Czechoslovakia, where his father, Samuel, was a police inspector and a European pioneer in the martial arts. "He founded a jujitsu school in 1907," Imi remembers. "He was a good policeman. He had to be tough to survive." So did Imi. "I began fighting anti-Semitism in the '30s," he says. "When the Hitler youth gangs used to single out Jewish young men on the streets, it was either hit or run. I found the hitting more satisfying." During World War II Imi served with a Czech exile regiment, which he joined after being rescued from a sinking ship in the Mediterranean by a British destroyer. Most of his family died in the Nazi gas chambers. At war's end he settled in Palestine. A civilian since 1963, Imi still puts in a full day, specializing in instruction to paratroopers, commandos and phys ed teachers.
Currently Imi is trying to modify krav-maga so that nonlethal self-defense can be taught to Israeli youngsters. "I want everybody in this country," he says, "to be ready for a fight."
*End of article
Per Boaz Aviram:
Don’t know if you have noticed but I have found something in this article to support the back cover of my book. "When a martial art becomes a sport, like judo for example, the lethal movements have to be restricted," says Imi. "This destroys the basic principle of krav-maga: You automatically end the fight by putting an end to your opponent."
And then: Currently Imi is trying to modify Krav Maga so that nonlethal self-defense can be taught to Israeli youngsters. "I want everybody in this country," he says, "to be ready for a fight."
This is the Krav Maga you generally get. (blogger's note: civilian version taught outside of the idf). This is why I was not happy with the Civilian Association and did not think that the way they taught was Krav Maga.
But now it is the time to realize that since terrorism attacks civilians, civilians have to be trained as soldiers. Sharing the secrets of training has an advantage over keeping them. It is up to us the civilians also to make that judgment of who do we want to teach and who do we prefer not to teach. It is not always a clear decision, but we need to keep it in our minds. Since terrorist target civilians, civilians should be trained!
End of posting
* blogger's note to readers:
In case you did not know, there are different sets of Krav Maga instructions now:
1. Those taught by instructors that had graduated from Immi's civilian dojo
2. Those taught by instructors who graduated AS INSTRUCTORS from the IDF Krav Maga school.
3. Those taught by instructors who did a short course in Krav Maga in the IDF while doing mandatory service.
4. Those taught by instructors who were Krav Maga instructors in the IDF and are martial artist.
5. Those taught by ex-IDF soldiers who were schooled in martial arts who did neither the Instructor's course nor the short course in the IDF.
6. Those taught by instructors who RENAMED their system to Krav Maga or took up the name of Krav Maga
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Friday, June 18, 2010
Krav Maga - Instructors, the average individual and the unique combination of techniques
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Question in regard to different instructor style and ability to teach...
As per Mr. Boaz
As for the Instruction, you are correct in describing the variety of talents of Instructors, however, in the IDF training method this factor was taken into account and those who could not instruct did not pass the instructor course.
Who is the average individual?
The training steps and method provided a solution to fast learning for all levels of intelligence. But at the same time the average soldier that was lucky to attend the IDF Krav Maga Instructor's Course, or just the short Hand to Hand Combat course, was at ;least high school graduate, and was in good physical health and shape, i.e. was not handicapped.
The other issue that I wanted to point out was that in Martial Arts certain originators of systems had a chance to learn from the experience of others before the developed their own and some did not.
But I do not think that kicking or punching belong specifically to any style such as Kung Fu (I've used the broad term for Chinese Arts)karate, and Boxing.
While Krav Maga punch looks like boxing more than Karate, yet it is very much different since it incorporates many principles together and is also taught faster and requires less training time to master.
Same for the kicks. While we know that every person is slightly different in his build and perception, it is possible that at least one person in another style did the exact one or two of the techniques that are demonstrated in Krav Maga.
I think overall however, that when you take all the fine points of each of the kicks and strikes and teach them all, there was not martial art that taught them the same before Krav Maga based on my years of various Martial Arts Training, and based on observation of the Great Masters of the Arts which are now available on youtube.
Parts of techniques and ideas and approaches were scattered all over the world. To combine it all in the correct perspective I would credit it to where I've found it - It was Krav Maga, where everything must make sense.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Question in regard to different instructor style and ability to teach...
As per Mr. Boaz
As for the Instruction, you are correct in describing the variety of talents of Instructors, however, in the IDF training method this factor was taken into account and those who could not instruct did not pass the instructor course.
Who is the average individual?
The training steps and method provided a solution to fast learning for all levels of intelligence. But at the same time the average soldier that was lucky to attend the IDF Krav Maga Instructor's Course, or just the short Hand to Hand Combat course, was at ;least high school graduate, and was in good physical health and shape, i.e. was not handicapped.
The other issue that I wanted to point out was that in Martial Arts certain originators of systems had a chance to learn from the experience of others before the developed their own and some did not.
But I do not think that kicking or punching belong specifically to any style such as Kung Fu (I've used the broad term for Chinese Arts)karate, and Boxing.
While Krav Maga punch looks like boxing more than Karate, yet it is very much different since it incorporates many principles together and is also taught faster and requires less training time to master.
Same for the kicks. While we know that every person is slightly different in his build and perception, it is possible that at least one person in another style did the exact one or two of the techniques that are demonstrated in Krav Maga.
I think overall however, that when you take all the fine points of each of the kicks and strikes and teach them all, there was not martial art that taught them the same before Krav Maga based on my years of various Martial Arts Training, and based on observation of the Great Masters of the Arts which are now available on youtube.
Parts of techniques and ideas and approaches were scattered all over the world. To combine it all in the correct perspective I would credit it to where I've found it - It was Krav Maga, where everything must make sense.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Wednesday, June 16, 2010
Krav Maga - History Lesson
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
The fact that you have more than one organization could signal of many possible reasons. While not necessarily all real issues some of them might be. At the same time the fact that all these different organizations are still named Krav Maga could also mean few things.
Traditionally, when a new instructor did not want to be bound to the restriction of his previous organization whether political, difference of opinions beliefs, and the lack of willingness to pay dues or share the income, the solution was a change of the style name.
This might be one part of the cause.
There is another issue with Krav Maga. While in the last 20 years Krav Maga was spread in the world by few large civilian organizations, the irony was that the popularity was stressed much on the reputation of the IDF as a fighting army.
While here and there Krav Maga students that were formery trained martial artists won local sports competition in mma, Muai Thai, Boxing and other, yet the majority of the world accepted the name of the IDF, and some parts of the world developed demand to any export that came from Israel.
When Immi left the IDF he opened his first schools in Tel Aviv and Natanyah. He decided to "make Krav Maga Suitable to be taught to youngsters" basically mirroring the Dojo marketing system, and training system.
Immi had civilian students that after about 5 years became "Black Belts in Krav Maga". In years to come the First Krav Maga association was created, and not long after, differences of opinions and lack of agreements in running it split it.
As Immi got older, he was in a hurry to see the fruit of his Genius Masterpiece. He wanted the whole world to benefit of it. Being in a hurry, he was taking large short cuts and making it easier to foreign students to quickly get teaching degrees in Krav Maga that amounted to a civilian Black Belt degrees.
The in charge of Rank Committee at the time Mr. Eli Avikzar was in a professional disagreement with Immi, so out of respect to Immi (his teacher) he had left the Association and changed the name of his Krav Maga civilian style to Krav Magen.
Eli Avikzar was Immi's heir in the Israeli Defense Forces. So while many of Immi's civilian black belts did not know what Israeli Defense Forces Krav Maga was, Eli knew all about it.
Of course other issued such as Instructors and Black Belts thought that they were more senior than others and they all tried their best to get promoted, and Immi was a man or political peace and he tried to agree with all of them.
Then many civilian associations were created.
Years later, many Israeli Martial Artists that started with the exotic names of the Orient of Karate, Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido, Ninjutsu, Kung Fu, Kyokushin Karate, GojuRyu, Shotokan and others found Immi's death as the perfect time to take pride of their Israeli Inheritance, and thought to take a ride on the reputation of Krav Maga.
Since Krav Maga in Hebrew translates to Contact Combat, and since Immi was dead, they felt it is the perfect time to switch. Some took the time to learn a little Krav Maga or as much as they could, and some did not. Over the history of martial arts, people learned from each other. They adopted various techniques that they felt would supplement their training and skills.
Over time the traditional Shotokan that was credited to Funakoshi Gichin, which developed strikes and kicks from low stances, based on his interpretation of the laws of physics, combined with what we know now as Yoga breathing techniques, and beliefs of the Ki, or the psychological and physical attempt to transform the energy into a powerful blow, evolved to a more free style boxing like stance.
Wrestling techniques, transformed to a more "civil" fighting like the Judo where you could only grab your opponent's Gi(appeared to be cleaner, but I do not think you would avoid the sweat)and back to MMA later on and others.
When students spent some time learning a Martial Art and switched, they tended to connect the dots and fill in the gaps of the lessons that they have missed. At times, they came up with an improved method of fighting, and at times the lost the advantage of the lesson they missed.
Various Instructors at various intelligence level, and don't get me wrong, I am not getting petty over here, but what I mean is that people made assumption using the knowledge and experiences they had and promoted themselves partially or truly believing in themselves had gaps of various sizes and filled them to the best of their ability.
The obvious facts that sticks out are how come a former boxing and wrestling champion trained in Jujitsu as well extracted most of the traditional training systems, creating Krav Maga, how come Eli Avikzar, trained in Aikido and Judo after he was trained in Krav Maga extracted all the long evasive motion of Aikido(tai sabaki) kept the leverages and applied the elements of Ueshiba Laws of the Universe to a practical use with the Krav Maga principles based on Immi's theory.
How come new Israeli Impersonators that tried to link their mandatory service which was not related to any position that required to learn Israeli Defense Forces Krav Maga, combined their youth Martial Arts Experience, and concluded that they can teach Krav Maga assuming that Krav Maga was all about mixed martial arts and new techniques to foil a pistol or machine gun threat.
Some of them were concentrating their efforts on a quick and forceful extraction of the pistol toiling with a plastic or wooden dummy pistol and never realized that if it was a real gun just the mere extraction while the barrel is pointed at them would have extracted a shot as well and would have extracted their lives out of them and their students in training and in real life.
So while many organization are legit as they can be, some are based on the same ancient recipe: This is a new style from a different region and a different era of China ,Japan, oh I meant Israel, lol
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
The fact that you have more than one organization could signal of many possible reasons. While not necessarily all real issues some of them might be. At the same time the fact that all these different organizations are still named Krav Maga could also mean few things.
Traditionally, when a new instructor did not want to be bound to the restriction of his previous organization whether political, difference of opinions beliefs, and the lack of willingness to pay dues or share the income, the solution was a change of the style name.
This might be one part of the cause.
There is another issue with Krav Maga. While in the last 20 years Krav Maga was spread in the world by few large civilian organizations, the irony was that the popularity was stressed much on the reputation of the IDF as a fighting army.
While here and there Krav Maga students that were formery trained martial artists won local sports competition in mma, Muai Thai, Boxing and other, yet the majority of the world accepted the name of the IDF, and some parts of the world developed demand to any export that came from Israel.
When Immi left the IDF he opened his first schools in Tel Aviv and Natanyah. He decided to "make Krav Maga Suitable to be taught to youngsters" basically mirroring the Dojo marketing system, and training system.
Immi had civilian students that after about 5 years became "Black Belts in Krav Maga". In years to come the First Krav Maga association was created, and not long after, differences of opinions and lack of agreements in running it split it.
As Immi got older, he was in a hurry to see the fruit of his Genius Masterpiece. He wanted the whole world to benefit of it. Being in a hurry, he was taking large short cuts and making it easier to foreign students to quickly get teaching degrees in Krav Maga that amounted to a civilian Black Belt degrees.
The in charge of Rank Committee at the time Mr. Eli Avikzar was in a professional disagreement with Immi, so out of respect to Immi (his teacher) he had left the Association and changed the name of his Krav Maga civilian style to Krav Magen.
Eli Avikzar was Immi's heir in the Israeli Defense Forces. So while many of Immi's civilian black belts did not know what Israeli Defense Forces Krav Maga was, Eli knew all about it.
Of course other issued such as Instructors and Black Belts thought that they were more senior than others and they all tried their best to get promoted, and Immi was a man or political peace and he tried to agree with all of them.
Then many civilian associations were created.
Years later, many Israeli Martial Artists that started with the exotic names of the Orient of Karate, Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido, Ninjutsu, Kung Fu, Kyokushin Karate, GojuRyu, Shotokan and others found Immi's death as the perfect time to take pride of their Israeli Inheritance, and thought to take a ride on the reputation of Krav Maga.
Since Krav Maga in Hebrew translates to Contact Combat, and since Immi was dead, they felt it is the perfect time to switch. Some took the time to learn a little Krav Maga or as much as they could, and some did not. Over the history of martial arts, people learned from each other. They adopted various techniques that they felt would supplement their training and skills.
Over time the traditional Shotokan that was credited to Funakoshi Gichin, which developed strikes and kicks from low stances, based on his interpretation of the laws of physics, combined with what we know now as Yoga breathing techniques, and beliefs of the Ki, or the psychological and physical attempt to transform the energy into a powerful blow, evolved to a more free style boxing like stance.
Wrestling techniques, transformed to a more "civil" fighting like the Judo where you could only grab your opponent's Gi(appeared to be cleaner, but I do not think you would avoid the sweat)and back to MMA later on and others.
When students spent some time learning a Martial Art and switched, they tended to connect the dots and fill in the gaps of the lessons that they have missed. At times, they came up with an improved method of fighting, and at times the lost the advantage of the lesson they missed.
Various Instructors at various intelligence level, and don't get me wrong, I am not getting petty over here, but what I mean is that people made assumption using the knowledge and experiences they had and promoted themselves partially or truly believing in themselves had gaps of various sizes and filled them to the best of their ability.
The obvious facts that sticks out are how come a former boxing and wrestling champion trained in Jujitsu as well extracted most of the traditional training systems, creating Krav Maga, how come Eli Avikzar, trained in Aikido and Judo after he was trained in Krav Maga extracted all the long evasive motion of Aikido(tai sabaki) kept the leverages and applied the elements of Ueshiba Laws of the Universe to a practical use with the Krav Maga principles based on Immi's theory.
How come new Israeli Impersonators that tried to link their mandatory service which was not related to any position that required to learn Israeli Defense Forces Krav Maga, combined their youth Martial Arts Experience, and concluded that they can teach Krav Maga assuming that Krav Maga was all about mixed martial arts and new techniques to foil a pistol or machine gun threat.
Some of them were concentrating their efforts on a quick and forceful extraction of the pistol toiling with a plastic or wooden dummy pistol and never realized that if it was a real gun just the mere extraction while the barrel is pointed at them would have extracted a shot as well and would have extracted their lives out of them and their students in training and in real life.
So while many organization are legit as they can be, some are based on the same ancient recipe: This is a new style from a different region and a different era of China ,Japan, oh I meant Israel, lol
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Krav Maga - What's the secret sauce?
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Do anyone ever ask themselves what is Krav Maga, how come it has a great reputation.
Is that because it is coming from a well known military and therefore it must be good?
Why is it then available to civilians? Does the military use a lot of Krav Maga in combat?
Really?
Do any military use Hand to Hand combat in combat? How much do they use it?
Why do they teach it? To increase confidence, or to increase survival skills?
Why many martial arts that have thousands of years of heritage, suddenly lost their demand when it comes to Self Defense and Hand to Hand Combat?
Is it just plain propaganda?
Why a human being that was born in Israel is better, is assumed to be better in Hand to Hand Combat than a citizen that grew up in Japan or China?
All three have military and police forces, and both do not use much of Hand to Hand Combat in the service, however, all three of them train in it.
Why Krav Maga is better than Karate when it comes for self defense? People are people?
Could it be than any Karate style is better than one particular Krav Maga style when it comes to Hand to Hand combat?
Any particular instructor or student better than the other?
If you break the training process to its component you get a full understanding of all these questions and you get the answers for them.
If the quest of Hand to Hand Fighting is to prevail in a confrontation which could happen once in a life time, could take few seconds, and depends on chance and reaction based on judgement that was timely executed then you need to look at the small components of the process and work to improve all of them.
If you tell a student to aim to the balls of his opponent without telling him how to move fast to reach the target before the target escapes, and how to land on the ball of his foot pointed outward to facilitate farther reach, and how to accelerate his leg to maximum speed, and all the other 20 details in a front kick, you let him fill all the gaps and connect all the dots.
Every kid will do it slightly different. If you do not understand and teach 100 percent of all the aspects of the technique you are teaching, you are creating a chance for multiplication of your students errors, that with training and repetition will multiple again.
You might get one "Champion" out of a whole school. It would be the one student that by chance connected the dots and filled the gaps in the most correct natural way.
But your instructor skills are reduced to administrative skills of running a schools. That student taught his own by observing, or by chance.
This is the difference between Krav Maga Instruction and Martial Arts Instruction, or at least it should be. I say that considering that there are all kinds of instructors under the umbrella of the name of Krav Maga. I wanted to touch down on all aspects of why suddenly Krav Maga took momentum where all the rest of the martial arts were doing the same thing they were doing for many years.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Do anyone ever ask themselves what is Krav Maga, how come it has a great reputation.
Is that because it is coming from a well known military and therefore it must be good?
Why is it then available to civilians? Does the military use a lot of Krav Maga in combat?
Really?
Do any military use Hand to Hand combat in combat? How much do they use it?
Why do they teach it? To increase confidence, or to increase survival skills?
Why many martial arts that have thousands of years of heritage, suddenly lost their demand when it comes to Self Defense and Hand to Hand Combat?
Is it just plain propaganda?
Why a human being that was born in Israel is better, is assumed to be better in Hand to Hand Combat than a citizen that grew up in Japan or China?
All three have military and police forces, and both do not use much of Hand to Hand Combat in the service, however, all three of them train in it.
Why Krav Maga is better than Karate when it comes for self defense? People are people?
Could it be than any Karate style is better than one particular Krav Maga style when it comes to Hand to Hand combat?
Any particular instructor or student better than the other?
If you break the training process to its component you get a full understanding of all these questions and you get the answers for them.
If the quest of Hand to Hand Fighting is to prevail in a confrontation which could happen once in a life time, could take few seconds, and depends on chance and reaction based on judgement that was timely executed then you need to look at the small components of the process and work to improve all of them.
If you tell a student to aim to the balls of his opponent without telling him how to move fast to reach the target before the target escapes, and how to land on the ball of his foot pointed outward to facilitate farther reach, and how to accelerate his leg to maximum speed, and all the other 20 details in a front kick, you let him fill all the gaps and connect all the dots.
Every kid will do it slightly different. If you do not understand and teach 100 percent of all the aspects of the technique you are teaching, you are creating a chance for multiplication of your students errors, that with training and repetition will multiple again.
You might get one "Champion" out of a whole school. It would be the one student that by chance connected the dots and filled the gaps in the most correct natural way.
But your instructor skills are reduced to administrative skills of running a schools. That student taught his own by observing, or by chance.
This is the difference between Krav Maga Instruction and Martial Arts Instruction, or at least it should be. I say that considering that there are all kinds of instructors under the umbrella of the name of Krav Maga. I wanted to touch down on all aspects of why suddenly Krav Maga took momentum where all the rest of the martial arts were doing the same thing they were doing for many years.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Krav Maga - Have you learnt what you were supposed to learn?
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
observing classes in many schools, I see the same students not progressing in their fighting skills even after a year of training.
This is due to the fact that they never learned all the pieces of the puzzle together. krav Maga is very simple. It is taught like computer programming.
The math of learning is simple: it is basically 1+1=2. You learn one piece of the puzzle, and add the next. Then you have a new unit, and then you add another piece of the puzzle.
If you break each technique to 3 parts (the military favorite number)or you are being more flexible and add a step or two, you take each one of the approximately 150 Krav Maga techniques and perfect them.
Compared to writing the alphabet where your mind is needed to be trained to control your fingers to write each letter by repetitive drawing 100 times of each letter, Krav Maga assumes you do not need to spend a lot of time to learn how to shove your thumb to a person's eye. Comparing to the game of tennis, you are not chasing a quick ball, but a larger mass of a human being, so again, the time spent on quick eye movement and judgement is being cut down. You use your legs for running, jumping landing anyway, and you use your hands to pick up items, open doors all day anyway.
Now you need to switch gears. You need to learn the correct sequence which body part starts first, and which one follow to make it easy for you to maximize the ease of use of your body. You need to learn to work with higher speeds.
But first you need to learn and understand the mechanics of the whole picture "Danger Analysis".
You need to set limits of your expectations of your training. You are learning how to fight another person that does not have more than 2 hands and 2 legs. Now you need to explore the most effective way your possible opponent could use his body to hurt you. He could be as fast and devastating like Muhammad Ali, and as fast and devastating with his kicks like Bruce Lee. You guys can pick your favorite average martial artist. If you find the common denominator to all these and other you find the formula of training in an instant. Some students require a little more and some less.
However if you look at the average athlete in the average Krav Maga Civilian school, and you conclude he does not make any progress within a year of training, you can conclude that the school is saying that it teaches Krav Maga. But Krav Maga is a training method. So the conclusion would be that the school does not teach Krav Maga!
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
observing classes in many schools, I see the same students not progressing in their fighting skills even after a year of training.
This is due to the fact that they never learned all the pieces of the puzzle together. krav Maga is very simple. It is taught like computer programming.
The math of learning is simple: it is basically 1+1=2. You learn one piece of the puzzle, and add the next. Then you have a new unit, and then you add another piece of the puzzle.
If you break each technique to 3 parts (the military favorite number)or you are being more flexible and add a step or two, you take each one of the approximately 150 Krav Maga techniques and perfect them.
Compared to writing the alphabet where your mind is needed to be trained to control your fingers to write each letter by repetitive drawing 100 times of each letter, Krav Maga assumes you do not need to spend a lot of time to learn how to shove your thumb to a person's eye. Comparing to the game of tennis, you are not chasing a quick ball, but a larger mass of a human being, so again, the time spent on quick eye movement and judgement is being cut down. You use your legs for running, jumping landing anyway, and you use your hands to pick up items, open doors all day anyway.
Now you need to switch gears. You need to learn the correct sequence which body part starts first, and which one follow to make it easy for you to maximize the ease of use of your body. You need to learn to work with higher speeds.
But first you need to learn and understand the mechanics of the whole picture "Danger Analysis".
You need to set limits of your expectations of your training. You are learning how to fight another person that does not have more than 2 hands and 2 legs. Now you need to explore the most effective way your possible opponent could use his body to hurt you. He could be as fast and devastating like Muhammad Ali, and as fast and devastating with his kicks like Bruce Lee. You guys can pick your favorite average martial artist. If you find the common denominator to all these and other you find the formula of training in an instant. Some students require a little more and some less.
However if you look at the average athlete in the average Krav Maga Civilian school, and you conclude he does not make any progress within a year of training, you can conclude that the school is saying that it teaches Krav Maga. But Krav Maga is a training method. So the conclusion would be that the school does not teach Krav Maga!
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Krav Maga - Pistol threat in one hour??
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Question:
If you only spend 1 hour to teach punching and only 1 hour for defense vs. pistol threat that you've got a totally different system than the Krav Maga Worldwide system I'm used to.
Spending so little time on important techniques like that would never work for me. I feel I have to practice over and over again before I can perform the technique to it's fullest in a stressful situation! :)
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Top expert Boaz Aviram answers:
If you learn it right from the beginning and to completion, your mind remembers all the aspects of it where to start and where to finish.
If you learn it piecemeal you have more of a chance to repeat errors that are not timely corrected and you would need a lot more time to correct these.
If you can drive you have the mental ability to learn gun defense and any other martial art/krav maga technique to perfection in an hour. The physical ability you are born with.
Remember to look for the most efficient motion to move the barrel away from pointing at you without projecting your motion and getting your attacker on guard. That means you do not want to move your whole body or more than one arm before the barrel is completely not pointed at you. You then take the worse scenario that your opponent is the best trained and the smartest opponent, so you move closer to him to be ahead of the game if he tries to retract the weapon and re aim.
You take into account his free hand that can be used as a weapon as well, and therefore you strike him with after the barrel is not pointed at you to break his train of thought or basically to stop him from trying another plan. When you subdue him, you carefully take the pistol out of his hand.
You ignore a possibility that he might try to kick you since your hand strike would reach him before he would have a chance to shift his weight to one foot so he could lift the other. Obviously if you need more time you rehearse it again, and have time to ask questions and clarify issues in the coming sessions.
You do get benefits of fitness social gathering in the dojo system however, but it comes with all the faults of that you adjust your speed of learning to the slow transmission of knowledge to maximize the potential economical profits based on the population of youth, hours of training and schedule of the population, and adjust your learning progress to new students etc. The environment could turn into chaos and lack of quality control and immediate supervision could lead to defective products(students).
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Question:
If you only spend 1 hour to teach punching and only 1 hour for defense vs. pistol threat that you've got a totally different system than the Krav Maga Worldwide system I'm used to.
Spending so little time on important techniques like that would never work for me. I feel I have to practice over and over again before I can perform the technique to it's fullest in a stressful situation! :)
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Top expert Boaz Aviram answers:
If you learn it right from the beginning and to completion, your mind remembers all the aspects of it where to start and where to finish.
If you learn it piecemeal you have more of a chance to repeat errors that are not timely corrected and you would need a lot more time to correct these.
If you can drive you have the mental ability to learn gun defense and any other martial art/krav maga technique to perfection in an hour. The physical ability you are born with.
Remember to look for the most efficient motion to move the barrel away from pointing at you without projecting your motion and getting your attacker on guard. That means you do not want to move your whole body or more than one arm before the barrel is completely not pointed at you. You then take the worse scenario that your opponent is the best trained and the smartest opponent, so you move closer to him to be ahead of the game if he tries to retract the weapon and re aim.
You take into account his free hand that can be used as a weapon as well, and therefore you strike him with after the barrel is not pointed at you to break his train of thought or basically to stop him from trying another plan. When you subdue him, you carefully take the pistol out of his hand.
You ignore a possibility that he might try to kick you since your hand strike would reach him before he would have a chance to shift his weight to one foot so he could lift the other. Obviously if you need more time you rehearse it again, and have time to ask questions and clarify issues in the coming sessions.
You do get benefits of fitness social gathering in the dojo system however, but it comes with all the faults of that you adjust your speed of learning to the slow transmission of knowledge to maximize the potential economical profits based on the population of youth, hours of training and schedule of the population, and adjust your learning progress to new students etc. The environment could turn into chaos and lack of quality control and immediate supervision could lead to defective products(students).
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Krav Maga - Giving stripes and real training
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
This type of ranking resembles more of a military type rank of corporal, sergeant etc, which takes into account the time spent in training and the course of completion of the training.
However again, it is far from the IDF Krav Maga ranking. In the IDF you either take a week or two in Krav Maga, where you get no rank, or you take the 100 hours one month Krav Maga Instructor's course where it takes about 21 hours to learn all the techniques and be proficient in them and the rest of the time is spent on daily fitness and Instructor qualification which is teaching how to teach and being graded on teaching.
In one hour you learn to punch like Muhamad Ali's best shots, and the pressure points, and then in another you learn front and side kicks.
You learn all the defenses vs. punches and kicks in one hour, you learn all the rest of the kicks in another hour: Front roundhouse, side roundhouse, full spinning side roundhouse, rear kicks attack and defense, slap kicks inside and outside and front and side jumping kicks.
You will need another half hour to learn the low punches, and knife hand and elbow strikes.
You learn use of a club and defense vs club in an hour, and all the knife techniques in two more hours.
You spend another hour on knife fighting, you learn all the grappling techniques while standing in another hour, release from chokes in another, and all the round fighting in another hour.
You learn defense vs pistol threat in an hour, and you spend few hours on fighting games.
Fighting games include control games on the ground, and full contact kicks and punches with gloves only and no rules except try not to kill the opponent. That means that instead of restricting the type of pressure point to be used, the restriction is more common sense of a type so that if you shove your thumb to your opponent's eye or throat, you do it lightly to hurt but not to damage, and obviously in the full contact fighting you have gloves on that restrict this.
When you kick your training partner's knee joint you only do it enough to stop his kick or his body movement, but stop yourself short of tearing his cruciate ligaments, and when you punch him to the face you keep increasing the force to the point that it stops his train of thought and he is standing with his hands down not unable to respond.
This type of training promote the full picture quicker, and when you learn everything together quickly, you can train safely on your own and be prepared quickly to defend yourself if needed.
So in civilian life there is the element of wanting to belong to a military type or "Martial" type of organization which is satisfied with the ranks without the need to ever be in the front line combat, but at the same time, I find it that grown up adults and former martial artists that would like to switch to Krav Maga find it humiliating to wear some kind of a lower rank than what they are used to. So it is something to train for , you get some sense of achievement, seniority within the organization, but at the same time you are headed for the long road of slowly training on a slow fire that might never get to the boiling point.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
This type of ranking resembles more of a military type rank of corporal, sergeant etc, which takes into account the time spent in training and the course of completion of the training.
However again, it is far from the IDF Krav Maga ranking. In the IDF you either take a week or two in Krav Maga, where you get no rank, or you take the 100 hours one month Krav Maga Instructor's course where it takes about 21 hours to learn all the techniques and be proficient in them and the rest of the time is spent on daily fitness and Instructor qualification which is teaching how to teach and being graded on teaching.
In one hour you learn to punch like Muhamad Ali's best shots, and the pressure points, and then in another you learn front and side kicks.
You learn all the defenses vs. punches and kicks in one hour, you learn all the rest of the kicks in another hour: Front roundhouse, side roundhouse, full spinning side roundhouse, rear kicks attack and defense, slap kicks inside and outside and front and side jumping kicks.
You will need another half hour to learn the low punches, and knife hand and elbow strikes.
You learn use of a club and defense vs club in an hour, and all the knife techniques in two more hours.
You spend another hour on knife fighting, you learn all the grappling techniques while standing in another hour, release from chokes in another, and all the round fighting in another hour.
You learn defense vs pistol threat in an hour, and you spend few hours on fighting games.
Fighting games include control games on the ground, and full contact kicks and punches with gloves only and no rules except try not to kill the opponent. That means that instead of restricting the type of pressure point to be used, the restriction is more common sense of a type so that if you shove your thumb to your opponent's eye or throat, you do it lightly to hurt but not to damage, and obviously in the full contact fighting you have gloves on that restrict this.
When you kick your training partner's knee joint you only do it enough to stop his kick or his body movement, but stop yourself short of tearing his cruciate ligaments, and when you punch him to the face you keep increasing the force to the point that it stops his train of thought and he is standing with his hands down not unable to respond.
This type of training promote the full picture quicker, and when you learn everything together quickly, you can train safely on your own and be prepared quickly to defend yourself if needed.
So in civilian life there is the element of wanting to belong to a military type or "Martial" type of organization which is satisfied with the ranks without the need to ever be in the front line combat, but at the same time, I find it that grown up adults and former martial artists that would like to switch to Krav Maga find it humiliating to wear some kind of a lower rank than what they are used to. So it is something to train for , you get some sense of achievement, seniority within the organization, but at the same time you are headed for the long road of slowly training on a slow fire that might never get to the boiling point.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because there may be no one left to train with! But do it real enough or else RBSD is just a bullshit term* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Krav Maga - To rank or not to rank?
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Regardless to belts or no belts I do not thing you got what I was trying to say.
You can spend 5 years in a Dojo Style gym and it amounts to about 450 hours considering twice a week and summers off. Out of each hour you spend 45 minutes of warming up, and fitness.
You really spend 15 minutes of rehearsing or true learning.
Krav Maga differentiated itself from the martial arts, not only by choosing and perfecting the techniques, but mainly in the instruction system.
You really do not want to rely on acrobatics. You want to rely on your body in the condition it is when you wake up in the morning or when you are sick. So while it took you few weeks to learn how to crawl and walk as a baby, you now learn how to protect yourself.
When everything is served for you in the formula of IDF Krav Maga, you can master it in 21 hours. Everything to perfection.
It is not some instructor talking about a technique and demonstrating it for a whole hour, but it is a few seconds of demonstrating it, and then it is you that is mastering few techniques to perfection by the end of the hour.
How long does it takes to learn how to drive a car? Not very long. If you choose fitness, then you can do anything you want, but please do not call it "Martial Arts" or "Krav Maga".
It would be activity class.
If you spend years in the Dojo imagining you can conquer the world of evil practicing and sweating forever, keep imagining(please do not take it personally, I was using it as a manner of speech). Feel free to join my friends list on facebook and get my facebook instructional videos, and you can check my references on kravmaganewyork.net
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because
there may be no one left to train with!* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of
what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga IDF
Regardless to belts or no belts I do not thing you got what I was trying to say.
You can spend 5 years in a Dojo Style gym and it amounts to about 450 hours considering twice a week and summers off. Out of each hour you spend 45 minutes of warming up, and fitness.
You really spend 15 minutes of rehearsing or true learning.
Krav Maga differentiated itself from the martial arts, not only by choosing and perfecting the techniques, but mainly in the instruction system.
You really do not want to rely on acrobatics. You want to rely on your body in the condition it is when you wake up in the morning or when you are sick. So while it took you few weeks to learn how to crawl and walk as a baby, you now learn how to protect yourself.
When everything is served for you in the formula of IDF Krav Maga, you can master it in 21 hours. Everything to perfection.
It is not some instructor talking about a technique and demonstrating it for a whole hour, but it is a few seconds of demonstrating it, and then it is you that is mastering few techniques to perfection by the end of the hour.
How long does it takes to learn how to drive a car? Not very long. If you choose fitness, then you can do anything you want, but please do not call it "Martial Arts" or "Krav Maga".
It would be activity class.
If you spend years in the Dojo imagining you can conquer the world of evil practicing and sweating forever, keep imagining(please do not take it personally, I was using it as a manner of speech). Feel free to join my friends list on facebook and get my facebook instructional videos, and you can check my references on kravmaganewyork.net
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be 100% real, because
there may be no one left to train with!* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of
what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Ranking in Krav Maga
Ranks Belts Merit etc.
In Krav Maga there should not be any belts, nor ranks. In a school however, there are positions such as instructor and assistant instructor.
In civilian and military organizations there are ranks that designate the position responsibility, authority and merit in terms of pay. When you go to college you get a Bachelors degree, and when you want to teach in a college you get a phd an become a professor.
In the Military, you have ranks that designate your level of respective training, accomplishments, responsibilities, and merit. In the IDF you can take Krav Maga training as part of your basic commando training, or take a Krav Maga instructor’s Course. Chief Krav Maga instructor refers to the person that certifies instructors.
When you look at a Martial Arts organization, you see belts. Belts originated in Judo. The idea was to create a ranking system to motivate young children to train and receive recognition. It also promoted a hierarchy of rank in the whole organization. Thus it created a lifetime experience evolved around the Judo. Judo then became a lifestyle.
The idea about Krav Maga is not to create a lifestyle, but to prepare the trainees in a short amount of time 9 to 21 hours to master the skills of self defense and Hand to Hand Combat.
Thus, you either know Krav Maga or you do not. Partial knowledge is insignificant and since the training time should be completed quickly, there is no point of ranking a person with the rank of a quarter students, half a student or a complete student.
In Krav Maga you learn how to defend yourself. You do not spend your lifetime improving.
Belts create social and commercial challenge to the students and contribute for retaining memberships more than to learning self defense.
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga (IDF)
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be real, because there may be no one left to train with!* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
In Krav Maga there should not be any belts, nor ranks. In a school however, there are positions such as instructor and assistant instructor.
In civilian and military organizations there are ranks that designate the position responsibility, authority and merit in terms of pay. When you go to college you get a Bachelors degree, and when you want to teach in a college you get a phd an become a professor.
In the Military, you have ranks that designate your level of respective training, accomplishments, responsibilities, and merit. In the IDF you can take Krav Maga training as part of your basic commando training, or take a Krav Maga instructor’s Course. Chief Krav Maga instructor refers to the person that certifies instructors.
When you look at a Martial Arts organization, you see belts. Belts originated in Judo. The idea was to create a ranking system to motivate young children to train and receive recognition. It also promoted a hierarchy of rank in the whole organization. Thus it created a lifetime experience evolved around the Judo. Judo then became a lifestyle.
The idea about Krav Maga is not to create a lifestyle, but to prepare the trainees in a short amount of time 9 to 21 hours to master the skills of self defense and Hand to Hand Combat.
Thus, you either know Krav Maga or you do not. Partial knowledge is insignificant and since the training time should be completed quickly, there is no point of ranking a person with the rank of a quarter students, half a student or a complete student.
In Krav Maga you learn how to defend yourself. You do not spend your lifetime improving.
Belts create social and commercial challenge to the students and contribute for retaining memberships more than to learning self defense.
- Extracted from Kravstation.com
- Posting by Mr. Boaz Aviram
- 3rd in line Chief of Krav Maga (IDF)
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be real, because there may be no one left to train with!* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Tuesday, June 15, 2010
Reality based training - #5
THIS ARTICLE IS NOT FOR KNIFE FIGHTERS. THIS ARTICLE IS ONLY FOR PEOPLE INTERESTED IN SELF-DEFENSE.
How many times can you die?
Answer: Only once
Is learning knife fighting going to help you in self defense?
However, many martial arts still teach their students dueling with STICKS replacing machete, knifes, parangs... AND treating it as self-defense?
Yes, their egos must be huge after "defeating" their "opponents".
Let's cut to the chase - if you are NOT fighting with REAL KNIFES, you are not learning knife fighting. You are just learning wood or plastic fighting (whichever your "knife" is made of)
You may "get" a cut on the other person, the other person would have sacrificed a cut to kill you.
You may have been stabbed 5 times and the other guy 10 times in a "duel", but, both of you HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME, both would be lying down bleeding to death after you "come to your senses".
If you like to read, read this: Lengthy but probably the ONLY knife fighting article you need to read. http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifedueling.htm#martialartslies
Let's look at some videos.
Myths about knife fighting:
Video
Reality - Try fending off two guys coming at you with full force
This is a good training video - cannot get any more real. You can see that they KNOW they got stab.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be real, because there may be no one left to train with!* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
How many times can you die?
Answer: Only once
Is learning knife fighting going to help you in self defense?
However, many martial arts still teach their students dueling with STICKS replacing machete, knifes, parangs... AND treating it as self-defense?
Yes, their egos must be huge after "defeating" their "opponents".
Let's cut to the chase - if you are NOT fighting with REAL KNIFES, you are not learning knife fighting. You are just learning wood or plastic fighting (whichever your "knife" is made of)
You may "get" a cut on the other person, the other person would have sacrificed a cut to kill you.
You may have been stabbed 5 times and the other guy 10 times in a "duel", but, both of you HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME, both would be lying down bleeding to death after you "come to your senses".
If you like to read, read this: Lengthy but probably the ONLY knife fighting article you need to read. http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifedueling.htm#martialartslies
Let's look at some videos.
Myths about knife fighting:
Video
Reality - Try fending off two guys coming at you with full force
This is a good training video - cannot get any more real. You can see that they KNOW they got stab.
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be real, because there may be no one left to train with!* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Thursday, June 10, 2010
Moving on after Self defense to fight concepts
After progressing from self-defense, you may wish to extend your interest into fighting/sparring.
This is where you are comfortable exchanging blows with someone else and knows that the "excuse" of self-defense has been thrown out of the window!
http://www.hertao.com/selfdefense/legal-self-defense
There are many different fighting areas you can explore:
1. Street fighting - Usually a clash of egos where a possible SD situation has now escalated to fighting for pride.
For example, you have learnt SD for a few months, a local bully (prob someone u know since 6th grade) stops you and demands money from you (ex-wimp). You use your instincts and training to ensure that there are no weapons involved.
You progress from keeping your distance and now decide to punish him for the past money that was extorted from you. Instead of walking away, you posture and start a verbal exchange.
He pushes you, you go berserk and now start pounding, kneeing, tiger claw, chin jab...
Shucks...he takes you to the ground and he outweighs you...now what???
You have just fallen prey to thinking SD = MMA = MA = Street fighting
You have forgotten that unlike SD, you have CLOSED your option to running away and have decided to fight. Fighting uses a different skill set which you have to learn. For example:
How big your opponent is?
Is he a kicker?
Is he a grappler?
Does he have skills?
Will his friends come in and interrupt the fight to your disadvantage?
What sort of fighting environment? (Beach? Grass? Pub? Glass?)
Any agreement? Like no poking eyes...(yes, street fights has agreements too)
Any legal implication? Like poking eyes, you poke someone's eye in a fight, you get sued for sure.
2. Sport fights
BJJ, MMA, Kumite... You got to know the game and join the right club to learn all the different skills.
Hertao.com is a good resource. Go check it out!
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be real, because there may be no one left to train with!* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
This is where you are comfortable exchanging blows with someone else and knows that the "excuse" of self-defense has been thrown out of the window!
http://www.hertao.com/selfdefense/legal-self-defense
There are many different fighting areas you can explore:
1. Street fighting - Usually a clash of egos where a possible SD situation has now escalated to fighting for pride.
For example, you have learnt SD for a few months, a local bully (prob someone u know since 6th grade) stops you and demands money from you (ex-wimp). You use your instincts and training to ensure that there are no weapons involved.
You progress from keeping your distance and now decide to punish him for the past money that was extorted from you. Instead of walking away, you posture and start a verbal exchange.
He pushes you, you go berserk and now start pounding, kneeing, tiger claw, chin jab...
Shucks...he takes you to the ground and he outweighs you...now what???
You have just fallen prey to thinking SD = MMA = MA = Street fighting
You have forgotten that unlike SD, you have CLOSED your option to running away and have decided to fight. Fighting uses a different skill set which you have to learn. For example:
How big your opponent is?
Is he a kicker?
Is he a grappler?
Does he have skills?
Will his friends come in and interrupt the fight to your disadvantage?
What sort of fighting environment? (Beach? Grass? Pub? Glass?)
Any agreement? Like no poking eyes...(yes, street fights has agreements too)
Any legal implication? Like poking eyes, you poke someone's eye in a fight, you get sued for sure.
2. Sport fights
BJJ, MMA, Kumite... You got to know the game and join the right club to learn all the different skills.
Hertao.com is a good resource. Go check it out!
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*Self defense is a subset of Martial arts*
*Reality based self defense training cannot always be real, because there may be no one left to train with!* - Me
*Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens -- Marc "Animal" MacYoung*
Choosing a Self Defense instructor for INDIVIDUAL safety
This seems so trivial that it is often overlooked.
What you should NOT do?
1. Never choose a self-defense system ONLY based on CLAIMS made of WHERE the art comes from...(shaolin, IDF, speztnaz...)
2. Never choose a self defense instructor based on HIS PERSONAL claims. Like (I am a commando, I killed 100 men, I am a great knife fighter, I was a former spy...)
3. Never choose a SD system that boast to be the "complete" system.
Once all the above three are avoided, you can then continue your search based on:
1. Does the dojo separate a SD class from a normal martial arts class?
2. Does the instructor only teaches techniques and ignores the intellectual part of SD?
3. Does the instructor discuss legal implications of the techniques taught?
4. Does the training consists of situational / scenario training?
5. Does the training involves executing techniques based on realism (aka committed attackers)?
5a. Does the training provides you with all the necessarily safety gears to practice with reality in mind. See 5.
6. Does the instructor ignores the differences between sexes. (weight, strength...)
7. Does the instructor ignores physical conditioning of its participants?
Give aways that you are NOT learning Self-defense
1. You are taught to FIGHT with knives.
2. You are made to spar (as in fighting), this is different from point 4 (situational training).
3. You are taught to FIGHT with sticks.
4. You are taught HOW TO DO joint locks, take downs, grapple instead of HOW TO GET OUT of chokes, joint locks, take downs....
5. Your techniques only consist of "dirty" tactics. Eye gouging, groin hitting...
6. You only focus on using your hands instead of BOTH your hands and feet.
7. You practice one sided techniques. That means proceeding from a choke, to bashing the attacker with hand strikes, knees, hammer fist, take down, lock/stomp on the head WITHOUT considering the REACTION from the attacker.
8. Your techniques seems to work IN ALL YOUR training. Nothing goes wrong.
Here's wishing you well!
What you should NOT do?
1. Never choose a self-defense system ONLY based on CLAIMS made of WHERE the art comes from...(shaolin, IDF, speztnaz...)
2. Never choose a self defense instructor based on HIS PERSONAL claims. Like (I am a commando, I killed 100 men, I am a great knife fighter, I was a former spy...)
3. Never choose a SD system that boast to be the "complete" system.
Once all the above three are avoided, you can then continue your search based on:
1. Does the dojo separate a SD class from a normal martial arts class?
2. Does the instructor only teaches techniques and ignores the intellectual part of SD?
3. Does the instructor discuss legal implications of the techniques taught?
4. Does the training consists of situational / scenario training?
5. Does the training involves executing techniques based on realism (aka committed attackers)?
5a. Does the training provides you with all the necessarily safety gears to practice with reality in mind. See 5.
6. Does the instructor ignores the differences between sexes. (weight, strength...)
7. Does the instructor ignores physical conditioning of its participants?
Give aways that you are NOT learning Self-defense
1. You are taught to FIGHT with knives.
2. You are made to spar (as in fighting), this is different from point 4 (situational training).
3. You are taught to FIGHT with sticks.
4. You are taught HOW TO DO joint locks, take downs, grapple instead of HOW TO GET OUT of chokes, joint locks, take downs....
5. Your techniques only consist of "dirty" tactics. Eye gouging, groin hitting...
6. You only focus on using your hands instead of BOTH your hands and feet.
7. You practice one sided techniques. That means proceeding from a choke, to bashing the attacker with hand strikes, knees, hammer fist, take down, lock/stomp on the head WITHOUT considering the REACTION from the attacker.
8. Your techniques seems to work IN ALL YOUR training. Nothing goes wrong.
Here's wishing you well!
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